The counselor knew the patient. Its always helpful to have someone who's been there. Because of the work that I do, I had really seen some terrible, terrible mastectomy surgeries. In the support group I see a lot of women who are going through that, and it just takes one person to go ahead and have that surgery and be real positive about it. I think our first woman in our support group was 72 years old, very big, large busted woman. And she came back and showed us her surgery and she said, I play golf. That gets in my way and they're hot, so at 72 I'm going to do this. You want to talk to someone who's been there, who is going through the same thing that you're going through.